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		<title>By: True self’ and gay spirituality - Religious Education Forum</title>
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		<title>By: Guepsusly</title>
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		<title>By: He who sees himself only on the outside &#171; Prayers and Reflections</title>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Assisi</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 05:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to add that I do not agree with the above comment&#039;s sentiment at all.

I let it post to show some people&#039;s reaction.  Even when faced with Love, it still boils down to dogma and how &quot;homosexuality&quot; is evil, and so is unmarried sex.

I believe this is an antiquated twisted way to approach the divine and sex.  If one actually examines the teachings of the New Testament for example one finds it states more that sleeping around is wrong, not unmarried or same gender relationships.  

The ideas of monogamy for instance were largely instituted via the Romans.  Romans that have advocated monogamy and celibacy.  While practicing orgies and having brothels.  
The Jews for instance did really mention sex before marriage until the 13th century. 

Gnostic (persian, aramaic not &quot;classical&quot;) groups sometimes practiced sacred sexual multi group marriages.  In these groups one man may have several wives, and one wife may have several husbands.  This was not about carnal gratification EVER.  This was about sacred sexual energy.  Breeding amongst the pure.

The sleeping prophet, Cayce spoke of this, although reluctantly as he felt modern people were still not ready for such revelations (not Cayce spoke of things in the nag hammadi library before it was even found)

&quot;In preperation for the coming of the Son of  man, there were those who joined in their efforts to consecrate their lives, their bodies, for a service; for a channel through which activities might be had for the perfecting, as it were, of the material channel through which such an expression of the Creative Forces might come into the earth. See? There were then, twelve maidens in the temple, or of the ORDER of the temple, who were dedicated for such preparation.&quot; reading 649-2

In the Gospel of Philip there are numerous mentions of what is called the bridal chamber. We also find:

&quot;When Eve was still with Adam, death did not exist. When she was separated from him, death came into being. If he enters again and attains his former self, death will be no more.&quot;

The Mandaean texts speak of Manichean sexual mysteries:

&quot;Then I explained to you, my disciples, that  there is yet another Gate (sect) that derives from Msiha (Messiah). They are called &quot;Zandiqi&quot; (saints)and &#039;Mar dMani&quot; (of Lord Mani). They sow seeds in concealment&quot; --Ginza (right) 9:1

The Mandaeans themselves advocate sex, not celibacy. For them, not breeding is abhorent and wrong.  Texts such as Alp Trisar Suailia  state:&quot;Praised be the Treasure of Life, Mother of all works, she from whom the upper, middle and lower worlds emanated, for she is my Spouse,Mara d-Rabutha, since her name is Nasirutha....
And he took a Spouse for Himself and created plants (children) and created worlds.&quot;

The Bonpo Buddhist sect, who are perhaps one of the &quot;oldest&quot; sects state:

&quot;With a pure vow as precondition the important thing is a worthy mate as virtuous companion...Ravishing and gently spoken, yet like the meanest servant..eschewing evil acts and exerting herself in the ten good acts...observing pure conduct and living in chastity.&quot;

So we see sex is sacred. If treated with respect and treated well, be you hetro or homo.  Personally I am of the mind no sex act is wrong as long as it uplifts, uplifts, brings you closer to the divine

&quot;He who is near me is near the fire, and he who is far from me is far from the kingdom&quot;

&quot;Listen! The tantric mysteries are said to be secret, Not because the Tantra is immoral but because it is closed. Closed to the narrow-minded adherants of lesser paths.&quot; --Yeshe Tsogyel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to add that I do not agree with the above comment&#8217;s sentiment at all.</p>
<p>I let it post to show some people&#8217;s reaction.  Even when faced with Love, it still boils down to dogma and how &#8220;homosexuality&#8221; is evil, and so is unmarried sex.</p>
<p>I believe this is an antiquated twisted way to approach the divine and sex.  If one actually examines the teachings of the New Testament for example one finds it states more that sleeping around is wrong, not unmarried or same gender relationships.  </p>
<p>The ideas of monogamy for instance were largely instituted via the Romans.  Romans that have advocated monogamy and celibacy.  While practicing orgies and having brothels.<br />
The Jews for instance did really mention sex before marriage until the 13th century. </p>
<p>Gnostic (persian, aramaic not &#8220;classical&#8221;) groups sometimes practiced sacred sexual multi group marriages.  In these groups one man may have several wives, and one wife may have several husbands.  This was not about carnal gratification EVER.  This was about sacred sexual energy.  Breeding amongst the pure.</p>
<p>The sleeping prophet, Cayce spoke of this, although reluctantly as he felt modern people were still not ready for such revelations (not Cayce spoke of things in the nag hammadi library before it was even found)</p>
<p>&#8220;In preperation for the coming of the Son of  man, there were those who joined in their efforts to consecrate their lives, their bodies, for a service; for a channel through which activities might be had for the perfecting, as it were, of the material channel through which such an expression of the Creative Forces might come into the earth. See? There were then, twelve maidens in the temple, or of the ORDER of the temple, who were dedicated for such preparation.&#8221; reading 649-2</p>
<p>In the Gospel of Philip there are numerous mentions of what is called the bridal chamber. We also find:</p>
<p>&#8220;When Eve was still with Adam, death did not exist. When she was separated from him, death came into being. If he enters again and attains his former self, death will be no more.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Mandaean texts speak of Manichean sexual mysteries:</p>
<p>&#8220;Then I explained to you, my disciples, that  there is yet another Gate (sect) that derives from Msiha (Messiah). They are called &#8220;Zandiqi&#8221; (saints)and &#8216;Mar dMani&#8221; (of Lord Mani). They sow seeds in concealment&#8221; &#8211;Ginza (right) 9:1</p>
<p>The Mandaeans themselves advocate sex, not celibacy. For them, not breeding is abhorent and wrong.  Texts such as Alp Trisar Suailia  state:&#8221;Praised be the Treasure of Life, Mother of all works, she from whom the upper, middle and lower worlds emanated, for she is my Spouse,Mara d-Rabutha, since her name is Nasirutha&#8230;.<br />
And he took a Spouse for Himself and created plants (children) and created worlds.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Bonpo Buddhist sect, who are perhaps one of the &#8220;oldest&#8221; sects state:</p>
<p>&#8220;With a pure vow as precondition the important thing is a worthy mate as virtuous companion&#8230;Ravishing and gently spoken, yet like the meanest servant..eschewing evil acts and exerting herself in the ten good acts&#8230;observing pure conduct and living in chastity.&#8221;</p>
<p>So we see sex is sacred. If treated with respect and treated well, be you hetro or homo.  Personally I am of the mind no sex act is wrong as long as it uplifts, uplifts, brings you closer to the divine</p>
<p>&#8220;He who is near me is near the fire, and he who is far from me is far from the kingdom&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Listen! The tantric mysteries are said to be secret, Not because the Tantra is immoral but because it is closed. Closed to the narrow-minded adherants of lesser paths.&#8221; &#8211;Yeshe Tsogyel</p>
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		<title>By: Shrommer</title>
		<link>http://magdelene.wordpress.com/2007/09/07/true-self-and-gay-spirituality/comment-page-1/#comment-1988</link>
		<dc:creator>Shrommer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone who is gay should openly and honestly admit the areas that they are tempted in, just as honest heterosexuals should, and then whether gay or heterosexual, they should live a new life in Christ which does not allow for sexual acts between two people of the same gender or between any two unmarried people at all.

The idea is not to live out the life of the person or the soul that you were born as, but to be born anew from on high and then live the life of the Holy Spirit which is God&#039;s nature instead of our sinful soul or fleshly nature.

Not only did Jesus die to take away the record of our sin and change our heavenly record to one of being righteous saints, but he also sends us the Holy Spirit to empower us to fight against and overcome the sinful nature that we live with while we are on this earth.  He&#039;s got it all covered, and it is our job to cooperate with him in his work.  Everyone has a free choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone who is gay should openly and honestly admit the areas that they are tempted in, just as honest heterosexuals should, and then whether gay or heterosexual, they should live a new life in Christ which does not allow for sexual acts between two people of the same gender or between any two unmarried people at all.</p>
<p>The idea is not to live out the life of the person or the soul that you were born as, but to be born anew from on high and then live the life of the Holy Spirit which is God&#8217;s nature instead of our sinful soul or fleshly nature.</p>
<p>Not only did Jesus die to take away the record of our sin and change our heavenly record to one of being righteous saints, but he also sends us the Holy Spirit to empower us to fight against and overcome the sinful nature that we live with while we are on this earth.  He&#8217;s got it all covered, and it is our job to cooperate with him in his work.  Everyone has a free choice.</p>
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